SYD Are knives etc OK to bring to a P&C Meet Up?

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MOD EDIT: Separated this discussion out from general meet up talk.

Note too that no legal advice is being given, P&C encourages compliance with the law and keep the conversation civil please :)




(and watches, knives, pens, torches, laser gunsighting and so much more).
Let's leave the knives at home people, not that anyone would bring them into a licensed premises or anything silly like that...and to play it safe lets probably run with firearms accessories in the same breath too for that matter :ROFLMAO:


 
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Let's leave the knives at home people, not that anyone would bring them into a licensed premises or anything silly like that...and to play it safe lets probably run with firearms accessories in the same breath too for that matter :ROFLMAO:



Invite a lawyer, watch the fun go out the window!

[Invite an accountant and it just evaporates ...]
 
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Invite a lawyer, watch the fun go out the window!

[Invite an accountant and it just evaporates ...]
Section 11c of the Summary Offences Act 1988 is no laughing matter, we have draconian laws in NSW - it's not all porno, fireworks and god knows what else like in the ACT.

NSWPOL would take one look at @borked and I in a Balmain pub with a collection of knives and would arrest us on the spot, my chances of relying on and explaining the reasonable excuse provisions of S(2)(a)(i) & S(2)(a)(iiii) before we were both tazed would be next to zero, and don't even get me started on the firearms accessories :D
 
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Section 11c of the Summary Offences Act 1988 is no laughing matter, we have draconian laws in NSW - it's not all porno, fireworks and god knows what else like in the ACT.

NSWPOL would take one look at @borked and I in a Balmain pub with a collection of knives and would arrest us on the spot, my chances of relying on and explaining the reasonable excuse provisions of S(2)(a)(i) & S(2)(a)(iiii) before we were both tazed would be next to zero, and don't even get me started on the firearms accessories :D
Yeah. I did a presentation in the US a few years ago and ended up around the topic of the gun and knife laws in NSW. They were HORRIFIED that we left outside so unprotected against 'The State' - seriously, some of them were so apoplectic they accused me of lying and I had to show them the legislation ...

 
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Section 11c of the Summary Offences Act 1988 is no laughing matter, we have draconian laws in NSW - it's not all porno, fireworks and god knows what else like in the ACT.

NSWPOL would take one look at @borked and I in a Balmain pub with a collection of knives and would arrest us on the spot, my chances of relying on and explaining the reasonable excuse provisions of S(2)(a)(i) & S(2)(a)(iiii) before we were both tazed would be next to zero, and don't even get me started on the firearms accessories :D
What would count as firearms accessories? Would a scope or scope mounts bring the law down on you? If what about a pair of binoculars or telescope. And why would a knife collection raise a hazard warning when the same establishment is serving food with sharp steak knives which will be longer and that will kill you just as dead . Would a straight razor be considered a concealable edged weapon in the same vein a pocket knife?aftershaves banned because you could use them to make a nice smelling molotov cocktail?Btw I'm not having a go at you just that I'm curious of the laws and how blatantly ridiculous they are at times.
 

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Out of topic.

I don’t think a steak knife as in way sharp. People don’t really understand how sharp knives can get. @Ferret619
Most don’t know what Sharp really is, it’s a shame that a useful tool like a pocketknife is seen a weapon these days.
As far as razors go, the Irish have a history of weaponising them in years past.
 

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Yea. Cut myself doing some late night prep in the kitchen. On the one side really happy with how sharp the knife is. Nearly painless. But bled everywhere.
 

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What would count as firearms accessories? Would a scope or scope mounts bring the law down on you? If what about a pair of binoculars or telescope. And why would a knife collection raise a hazard warning when the same establishment is serving food with sharp steak knives which will be longer and that will kill you just as dead . Would a straight razor be considered a concealable edged weapon in the same vein a pocket knife?aftershaves banned because you could use them to make a nice smelling molotov cocktail?Btw I'm not having a go at you just that I'm curious of the laws and how blatantly ridiculous they are at times.
EDIT: The following not legal advice, it is not intended to be legal advice and is only applicable to NSW.

In NSW those would be the questions you get your Solicitor to answer (and then argue as a defence) after you have been arrested, (tazered or gassed if you argue or resist) taken to the station, strip searched, interviewed and then (hopefully) bailed to appear. They are very reasonable questions too, many of the articles and things you have mentioned are common everyday objects. Binoculars are fine, telescopes are fine, the kitchen using the knives are fine. A scope able to be mounted on a rifle is not and so on. It is unlikely, but all it takes is a couple of unreasonable cops seeing a bunch of knives in a pub and its game on, it happens often to all kinds of people in all kinds of everyday, reasonable situations unfortunately.

Law Enforcement (Powers and Responsibilities) Act 2002 is a body of legislation that grants NSW Police sweeping powers of search and arrest even if it is then found to be an unlawful arrest by the courts.

These are the grounds for the arrest: Dangerous implement and Knife. In addition to s(357) of The Crimes Act 1900 which permits police to seize the whole damm lot without arresting you as you are in a public place. I could go on and on and on citing sections of the Crimes Act but I would rather go back to talking about our shave meetup so very briefly:

Law Enforcement (Powers and Responsibilities) Act 2002

Note how broad the definitions are ;)

dangerous implement means:
(a) a dangerous article, or
(b) a knife, or
(c) any other implement made or adapted for use for causing injury to a person, or
(d) anything intended, by the person having custody of the thing, to be used to injure or menace a person or damage property, or
(e) a laser pointer,
and even more relevantly

In this Division:
knife includes
:
(a) a knife blade, and
(b) a razor blade, and
(c) any other blade,
but does not include anything that is of a class or description declared by the regulations to be excluded from this definition.
I am not anti police at all, in fact I fully understand the dangers and nature of the threats they face especially with the gang and organised crime activity specific to areas of Sydney. Unfortunately though it is increasingly common for these powers to be misused, or mistakenly applied to absolutely law abiding Australians.
 
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Section 11c of the Summary Offences Act 1988 is no laughing matter, we have draconian laws in NSW - it's not all porno, fireworks and god knows what else like in the ACT.

NSWPOL would take one look at @borked and I in a Balmain pub with a collection of knives and would arrest us on the spot, my chances of relying on and explaining the reasonable excuse provisions of S(2)(a)(i) & S(2)(a)(iiii) before we were both tazed would be next to zero, and don't even get me started on the firearms accessories :D
What did I do?
I plead innocence until shown guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
*said as shaking the hand of a copper, so their peers can't taser me*

Silliest part, is those there from my understanding then could be classified as accessories and the meeting a gang, thus anti gang laws applied where none of us could meet up beyond what is it these days, 2-3 people?

Out of topic.

I don’t think a steak knife as in way sharp. People don’t really understand how sharp knives can get. @Ferret619
Nearly sliced half my left hand off due to this!
Didn't feel anything, until it came time for stitches!
Butchers knife, butcher forgot to inform me that the top is sharpened when he sharpens his knives, so wear a metal glove.
 

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(e) a laser pointer
:D


If people are into collecting knives and so on (which is an entirely legitimate hobby) then they should arrange a private meetup at someones house, it's probably just preferable (and better for my blood pressure) if people do not bring them along to our shave meetups that occur in a Balmain pub.
 

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In this Division:
knife includes
:
(a) a knife blade, and
(b) a razor blade, and
(c) any other blade,
but does not include anything that is of a class or description declared by the regulations to be excluded from this definition.

I was handing knives out last time I was at the meet..
 

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In this Division:
knife includes
:
(a) a knife blade, and
(b) a razor blade, and
(c) any other blade,
but does not include anything that is of a class or description declared by the regulations to be excluded from this definition.

I was handing knives out last time I was at the meet..
I can see how you earned your custom title :)
 

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I can see how you earned your custom title :)
Snarky comments aside I’m honestly not sure why folk would need a knife at a meet but really as long as people follow the local laws I don’t see why a P&C meet would be any different to normal life..
That said really if your going to have a pocket knife, multitool or what have you then don’t be a dickhead about it and life’s pretty easy.
 
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If people are into collecting knives and so on (which is an entirely legitimate hobby) then they should arrange a private meetup at someones house, it's probably just preferable (and better for my blood pressure) if people do not bring them along to our shave meetups that occur in a Balmain pub.
You mean my highly focusable novelty torches with different colours?
Or was it items from part of my AUSSAR/Search & Rescue kits?
:D
 
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