What is the effect of glycerin pre-shave soap on skin and lather?

Mong.

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To set the scene: I have fairly sensitive skin, and it benefits from the pretty specific shave routine that I've established. Among other things, this means leaving a day between shaving for skin repair which works better in some corporate environments than others. When the virus lockdown ends, I'll be back to shaving every day and expect this to kick up the irritation on my neck again. I can't do much about the weird hair growth angles on my neck, but I could incorporate a glycerine pre-shave product into my routine. I prefer not to use a shave oil, as it just creates a different set of skin problems.

Can anyone share some experience about how you use a glycerine soap before shaving, and how it affects lather quality / glide / skin protection and conditioning?

Do I use the soap, then lather directly on top? Rinse, then lather? Open to suggestions for products and method. Considering the Razorock glycerine/charcoal bar.

Let's assume that I'm using a tallow-based soap (Mike's Natural), a mild razor (Schick Krona) with sharp/smooth blade (Super Iridium) and an alum block / Speick aftershave lotion. Alum is omittable, I just like the burn.
 
Hi @Mong. even though I like to think I am as tough as rusty nails in an old boot I have som sensitivity to certain soaps and ingredients (suspect Lanolin wool alcohol to be the main culprit but yet to scientifically prove it).
I really like glycerin soaps and enjoyed Col Conk until fellow P& C members (the peanut gallery) offered good advice regarding other dubious ingredients.
Have you tried Stirling? I find them to be one of the lowest irritant soaps on the market while still having a decent scent, and now available in Aus thanks to Artisan Arcade.
Rumor has it the owner and soap creator has sensitive skin himself.
 
With sensitive skin,consider a scentless soap.
Some people like Olive oil soap as a pre shave,rinsed off before shaving.
Most people love Mitchell's Wool Fat,they also make a good bath soap you can use as a pre shave.
To keep it as simple as possible,use warm water as a pre shave.
Perhaps content yourself with a single WTG pass,and skip weekends.
When the Speick runs out t try Thayers alcohol free unsecured toner
 
Stirling soap’s is the best for anybody who has sensitive skin, also watch out for cinnamon as well, otherwise, you might be allergic to cinnamon which can give out irritation from the skin. Pay attention to the fragrance oil about the soap before you buy, either you could be allergic to some EO and FO in the soaps as well.
 
Hi @Mong.
I really like glycerin soaps and enjoyed Col Conk until fellow P& C members (the peanut gallery) offered good advice regarding other dubious ingredients.
Have you tried Stirling? I find them to be one of the lowest irritant soaps on the market while still having a decent scent, and now available in Aus thanks to Artisan Arcade.
Rumor has it the owner and soap creator has sensitive skin himself.

I should clarify that I think the localised nature of the irritation suggests it's a technique or 'mechanical' issue relating to being unable to go WTG due to the randomness of beard direction on my neck. It's possible it's a combo of poor blade angle from changing razors all the time and raw skin being irritated by soap ingredients.

Stirling are definitely on the list to try, but I've still got 10 tubs of other stuff to get through. Maybe time for a shave den cull to raise some funds for Stirling, it sounds like a winner.

Hi @Mong. as @Holiday said you might want to look at the Stirling soaps on Artisan Arcade. Many of their soaps (perhaps all?) contain glycerin of some kind. They also sell pure glycerin soap: https://artisanarcade.com/product/glycerine-soap/ .I have fairly sensitive skin and the ones I've tried so far have given me no issue.

I have hated every pure glycerine soap I've tried in the past, but they've been cheap and random knick-knack soaps or Col Conk. They've never lathered well for me, but I am a fan of tallow soaps which is a high bar for lather thickness and density. Two votes for Stirling though puts it to the top of my list to try.

With sensitive skin,consider a scentless soap.
Some people like Olive oil soap as a pre shave,rinsed off before shaving.
Most people love Mitchell's Wool Fat,they also make a good bath soap you can use as a pre shave.
To keep it as simple as possible,use warm water as a pre shave.
Perhaps content yourself with a single WTG pass,and skip weekends.
When the Speick runs out t try Thayers alcohol free unsecured toner

Thanks for the specific suggestions, I do love the MWF. I generally stick to a single WTG plus touchups, so that's ok. The Speick is a winner, but I will try the Thayers and probably look for a more moisturising balm too.

Stirling soap’s is the best for anybody who has sensitive skin, also watch out for cinnamon as well, otherwise, you might be allergic to cinnamon which can give out irritation from the skin. Pay attention to the fragrance oil about the soap before you buy, either you could be allergic to some EO and FO in the soaps as well.

Another vote for Stirling! Good point about the EO/FO, that was a problem with a fragrance heavy soap I've tried before. Hugely drying of the skin, which amplified any problems. Thanks for the tips.


Thanks for sharing this mate, definitely an interesting article. I'm going to think a bit about cleansers, and whether a hot towel might do some good to prep.

Cheers everyone for your feedback, I will definitely reflect on it. I'm generally pretty happy with technique and materials, and most of my regular soaps/creams aren't super heavy on the scents and are pretty pure in terms of ingredients/additives. I think what I'm looking for is a product or approach to increase glide and improve face hydration. It's occasional irritation, and in a localised spot which makes me think it's just a tricky patch of neck rather than a sensitivity to ingredients. But I will consider Stirling, some change to aftershave and a cleanser.

To circle back around - the Razorock Charcoal/Lime pre-shave might fit the bill as a cleanser, and add some glide to whatever I add on top.

I wonder if the answer is a more holistic point of view, involving a daily cleanser for the shower and a face-specific moisturiser. It seems perverse to spend all this money on shaving kit, and very little on skincare.
 
It seems perverse to spend all this money on shaving kit, and very little on skincare.
Hi @Mong. FWITW I don't use balms since trialing AP Reserve Restoration Peptide Concentrate Serum it is one of those products where you can feel the benefits almost immediately. The skin just calms down and feels so much better, it reduces irritation and inflammation. It won't stop razor burn but definitely calms it quicker along with being really good for the rest of your face. For me it has stopped my eyes from feeling itchy all the time.
 
Hey @Mong.
Occasionally I'll use Coconut oil as a pre shave and a friend uses emu oil as a pre shave treatment. Apply and then apply the lather straight over the top.
I bowl lather so the pre shave oil remains much as a base coat giving a little more protection and glide mainly for the first pass. If you face lather then I imagine you'd lose much of that benefit as the oil would be taken up in the lather. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Hi @Mong. FWITW I don't use balms since trialing AP Reserve Restoration Peptide Concentrate Serum it is one of those products where you can feel the benefits almost immediately. The skin just calms down and feels so much better, it reduces irritation and inflammation. It won't stop razor burn but definitely calms it quicker along with being really good for the rest of your face. For me it has stopped my eyes from feeling itchy all the time.
+1 on the APR Serum as a little bit goes a long way and I use it weekly on my shaved head and it makes the blemishes and sweat pimples disappear! (y)
 
Hi @Mong. FWITW I don't use balms since trialing AP Reserve Restoration Peptide Concentrate Serum it is one of those products where you can feel the benefits almost immediately. The skin just calms down and feels so much better, it reduces irritation and inflammation. It won't stop razor burn but definitely calms it quicker along with being really good for the rest of your face. For me it has stopped my eyes from feeling itchy all the time.

Okay dokey, this is exactly the kind of thing I want. Thanks @Holiday it looks the goods.

Hey @Mong.
Occasionally I'll use Coconut oil as a pre shave and a friend uses emu oil as a pre shave treatment. Apply and then apply the lather straight over the top.
I bowl lather so the pre shave oil remains much as a base coat giving a little more protection and glide mainly for the first pass. If you face lather then I imagine you'd lose much of that benefit as the oil would be taken up in the lather. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This what was I was thinking of doing with a pre-shave soap, and at the risk of asking a stupid question, is coconut oil for cooking gunna work for trying this out? Thanks PB, good suggestion and appreciate the useful method.

+1 on the APR Serum as a little bit goes a long way and I use it weekly on my shaved head and it makes the blemishes and sweat pimples disappear! (y)

As a (near) future head shaver, this is super useful RB. I will give it a go.

Any suggested Aussie retailers for Stirling and APR Serum? I'll check out Artisan Arcade.

Cracker feedback in this thread gents. Much obliged for all the contributions. (y)
 
Okay dokey, this is exactly the kind of thing I want. Thanks @Holiday it looks the goods.



This what was I was thinking of doing with a pre-shave soap, and at the risk of asking a stupid question, is coconut oil for cooking gunna work for trying this out? Thanks PB, good suggestion and appreciate the useful method.



As a (near) future head shaver, this is super useful RB. I will give it a go.

Any suggested Aussie retailers for Stirling and APR Serum? I'll check out Artisan Arcade.

Cracker feedback in this thread gents. Much obliged for all the contributions. (y)
APR Serum is only available from Beard & Blade and the local supplier of Stirling is Artisan Arcade. Both excellent vendors to deal with offering exceptional customer service and reliable postage!
 
Just my 2 cents regarding the irritation on your neck. I too find that my neck is extremely sensitive to shaving and that I have issues due to hair growth in all sorts of weird directions. The solution I found was extremely simple. In the effected areas I do not shave either across or against the grain. Sure I don't get down to a BBS finish in those areas but does anyone really care or notice? I don't think so. Simple and effective solution IMO.

As an addendum, Not everyone is able to achieve a no irritation BBS shave whether it be all over the face as a whole or specific areas. What is the point in chasing a BBS result if you are going to get irritation though? Some of the more efficient razors give me a great very close shave by only going WTG and XTG. In my opinion a great solution for people with sensitive skin is to find a razor that is efficient enough to provide a great shave in just two passes and to stop chasing the BBS result. It is not worth it in my opinion and most people at work etc. are not going to be able to tell the difference.
 
This what was I was thinking of doing with a pre-shave soap, and at the risk of asking a stupid question, is coconut oil for cooking gunna work for trying this out? Thanks PB, good suggestion and appreciate the useful method.
It's fine if it's good quality, cold pressed. I get through a bit so buy it by the bucket and use it for soap making and cooking. Perhaps try the emu as well due to it's healing properties. I mostly don't have shave related skin problems so tried the emu oil and it works well but just reverted to coconut as it's cheaper.
 
Just my 2 cents regarding the irritation on your neck. I too find that my neck is extremely sensitive to shaving and that I have issues due to hair growth in all sorts of weird directions. The solution I found was extremely simple. In the effected areas I do not shave either across or against the grain. Sure I don't get down to a BBS finish in those areas but does anyone really care or notice? I don't think so. Simple and effective solution IMO.

As an addendum, Not everyone is able to achieve a no irritation BBS shave whether it be all over the face as a whole or specific areas. What is the point in chasing a BBS result if you are going to get irritation though? Some of the more efficient razors give me a great very close shave by only going WTG and XTG. In my opinion a great solution for people with sensitive skin is to find a razor that is efficient enough to provide a great shave in just two passes and to stop chasing the BBS result. It is not worth it in my opinion and most people at work etc. are not going to be able to tell the difference.
Excellent advice as I used to push myself when shaving the neck and always walked away with irritation, ingrown hairs and razor burn chasing BBS that would rarely eventuate! Its improved immensely since ditching the carts and see no point in a BBS shave as my growth is insane and I basically need to shave twice a day to maintain smoothness so why bother! Shaving is now an enjoyable routine involving proper preparation and using the best tools available (brush, soap, razor+blade, post shave gear) to achieve optimal results! I enjoy using a pre-shave soap but also find warm water or a shower work best for me and employ 2 quick passes on my neck and that helps to keep the irritation at bay. :)
 
APR Serum is only available from Beard & Blade and the local supplier of Stirling is Artisan Arcade. Both excellent vendors to deal with offering exceptional customer service and reliable postage!

Thanks mate, will keep an eye on B&B for the APR serum. Artisan Arcade have soooo much product, it's incredible.

Needless to say, B&B has sold out of the APR serum 😞

Bit shattered. Will wait keenly for this to come back in stock, I like the ingredients. Also, they have a couple of cheap pure badger Simmo's, one of which I want to try.

Just my 2 cents regarding the irritation on your neck. I too find that my neck is extremely sensitive to shaving and that I have issues due to hair growth in all sorts of weird directions. The solution I found was extremely simple. In the effected areas I do not shave either across or against the grain. Sure I don't get down to a BBS finish in those areas but does anyone really care or notice? I don't think so. Simple and effective solution IMO.

This is sage advice, and what I do when I'm smart (which is rarely). I just always make too much lather and hate to waste it, so on it goes for pass #2. I'll take your advice.

It's fine if it's good quality, cold pressed. I get through a bit so buy it by the bucket and use it for soap making and cooking. Perhaps try the emu as well due to it's healing properties. I mostly don't have shave related skin problems so tried the emu oil and it works well but just reverted to coconut as it's cheaper.

Nice, I'll give it a go. It's good quality cold-pressed food grade stuff, so should be good for a trial run. I'll see if I can find a deal on the emu oil. I ate emu once, and it was great. Seems like a useful critter.

Excellent advice as I used to push myself when shaving the neck and always walked away with irritation, ingrown hairs and razor burn chasing BBS that would rarely eventuate! Its improved immensely since ditching the carts and see no point in a BBS shave as my growth is insane and I basically need to shave twice a day to maintain smoothness so why bother! Shaving is now an enjoyable routine involving proper preparation and using the best tools available (brush, soap, razor+blade, post shave gear) to achieve optimal results! I enjoy using a pre-shave soap but also find warm water or a shower work best for me and employ 2 quick passes on my neck and that helps to keep the irritation at bay. :)

Minimising the amount of blade on skin seems to be the way to go, and making sure your lather is right. One pass shaving just doesn't feel "value for money" for me, even if it does eliminate this particular problem. But y'all are right, and I will try this minimalist approach tomorrow. It is the joy of the routine that has kept me doing this for so long, but it does make one a keen bean to chase the perfect shave every time.
 
Thanks mate, will keep an eye on B&B for the APR serum. Artisan Arcade have soooo much product, it's incredible.



Bit shattered. Will wait keenly for this to come back in stock, I like the ingredients. Also, they have a couple of cheap pure badger Simmo's, one of which I want to try.



This is sage advice, and what I do when I'm smart (which is rarely). I just always make too much lather and hate to waste it, so on it goes for pass #2. I'll take your advice.



Nice, I'll give it a go. It's good quality cold-pressed food grade stuff, so should be good for a trial run. I'll see if I can find a deal on the emu oil. I ate emu once, and it was great. Seems like a useful critter.



Minimising the amount of blade on skin seems to be the way to go, and making sure your lather is right. One pass shaving just doesn't feel "value for money" for me, even if it does eliminate this particular problem. But y'all are right, and I will try this minimalist approach tomorrow. It is the joy of the routine that has kept me doing this for so long, but it does make one a keen bean to chase the perfect shave every time.
Yeah I feel guilty when my shave is done and I see the excess lather left over in the bowl or on the brush but then again it's really only soap and I own too many tubs that seem to be magical as no matter the effort I spend loading my brush they never get empty...? :LOL:
 
Yeah I feel guilty when my shave is done and I see the excess lather left over in the bowl or on the brush but then again it's really only soap and I own too many tubs that seem to be magical as no matter the effort I spend loading my brush they never get empty...? :LOL:
I don't feel guilty at all, soap is soap and you really don't want to shave with a crappy, sloppy like a wet piss running lather during your shaves.
 
Yeah I feel guilty when my shave is done and I see the excess lather left over in the bowl or on the brush but then again it's really only soap and I own too many tubs that seem to be magical as no matter the effort I spend loading my brush they never get empty...? :LOL:
I always shower after my shave (I know, I know but it's the habit of a lifetime) so I simply use up all the excess lather on my body. That way I get to enjoy the smell for a bit longer.
 
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